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kelly, founded. he also testified along with the national rifle association's wayne lapierre. commander kelly at one point answered mr. lapierre's claim that background checks don't need to be made universal. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> the nra position, though, and it's shared by many people, is that criminals would still be able to get and use firearms and banning high-capacity rifles still would not work. and banning the semiautomatic weapons, such as the ones used in newtown, aurora and elsewhere. both sides of the gun debate use the assault weapons ban that was in effect from 1994 to 2004 to make their case. listen. >> independent studies including one from the clinton justice department prove that it had no impact on lowering crime. >> the department of justice report assault weapons as a percentage of gun traces, we chose the 70% decline. >> while armed security works, gun bans do not. >> i ha
kelly, founded. he also testified along with the national rifle association's wayne lapierre. commander kelly at one point answered mr. lapierre's claim that background checks don't need to be made universal. >> my wife would not be sitting in this seat, she would not have been sitting here today if we had stronger background checks. >> the nra position, though, and it's shared by many people, is that criminals would still be able to get and use firearms and banning high-capacity...
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. >> at the same hearing giffords' husband mark kelly pushed forward requiring background checks but wayne la pea year of the national rifle association said criminals never submit to them. >> we're going to make all the law-abiding people go through the system and we're not going to prosecute any of the bad guys if we do catch one, and none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> requiring private sellers to require a background check before they transfer a gun is -- i mean for us, i can't think of something that would make our country safer than doing just that. >> during his testimony kelly made reference to another shooting in arizona. a gunman opened fire at a phoenix office yesterday. one person was killed. two others were wounded. and the gunman is on the run. >>> city officials in newtown, connecticut, where 26 people were shot dead at an elementary school are calling for tougher gun control measures. hundreds attend add hearing last night and randall pinkston reports. >> reporter: skyla lewis set the picture of her son jesse. he was among the 26 killed at sandy hook elem
. >> at the same hearing giffords' husband mark kelly pushed forward requiring background checks but wayne la pea year of the national rifle association said criminals never submit to them. >> we're going to make all the law-abiding people go through the system and we're not going to prosecute any of the bad guys if we do catch one, and none of it makes any sense in the real world. >> requiring private sellers to require a background check before they transfer a gun is -- i...
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i spoke to mark kelly yesterday about his testimony. he said that we're both -- he and congresswoman giffords, are moderate gun owners. they own guns. they have been supporters of gun rights for a long time. he also said that he hopes that they can do something about the safety of our kids and our communities. one tidbit he told me is that he and gabby giffords used to go together to the nra practice range just outside of washington. he almost joined the nra himself but never got around to it. that's their perspective. and then of course on the other side of the witness table the last person we will hear from will be wayne lapierre who will say a lot of familiar things that we've heard from him over the years but even more specifically since the shootings at newtown he's going to say in fact his prepared remarks say that he's going to say law abiding gun owners will not accept the blame for acts of violence of deranged criminals. expect him to be as combative and defiant for people who own guns as he has in the past. >> i'm sitting here
i spoke to mark kelly yesterday about his testimony. he said that we're both -- he and congresswoman giffords, are moderate gun owners. they own guns. they have been supporters of gun rights for a long time. he also said that he hopes that they can do something about the safety of our kids and our communities. one tidbit he told me is that he and gabby giffords used to go together to the nra practice range just outside of washington. he almost joined the nra himself but never got around to it....
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here is the station master, harry kelly, in his own words. >> this is my office. it's exciting to be here. >> i'm the superintendent of building services of gct, grand central terminal. >> the way people barge in and out, you would think it was grand central station. >> a lot of people say "station." terminal, it's a terminal, because trains start and finish here. >> we go back since 1974. i'm always walking. visibility is a big thing. i can't sit still. the tennis court, it is a secret in a way. a lot of people don't realize it's here. the ceiling was very dirty. there's one spot that was left intact on top of track 30, shows you how dirty the ceiling actually was. this is the elevator that will take you to the furthest floor below grand central. power department, generators and stuff like that. >> everything is automatic now. time moves on. what are you going to do? >> the 454 train going to north white plains, the train departs from track number 102a on the lower level. >> 51:15 from new haven is running late. 98% on time now. it's too dull sometimes when -- be
here is the station master, harry kelly, in his own words. >> this is my office. it's exciting to be here. >> i'm the superintendent of building services of gct, grand central terminal. >> the way people barge in and out, you would think it was grand central station. >> a lot of people say "station." terminal, it's a terminal, because trains start and finish here. >> we go back since 1974. i'm always walking. visibility is a big thing. i can't sit still....
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mark kelly will argue that an assault rifle like the one used to wound his wife and kill others should be banned from the streets. the policies are complicated. even some of the most liberal are supporters of gun rights including patrick leahy. harry reid of nevada was noncommit tall when he asked about the assault weapons ban intro dusd by his colleague dianne feinstein. any move to restrict gun ownership will be met with fierce opposition from the right. >> gun violence is not a disease. and lawful gun ownership is not a disease. it is a constitutionally protected individual right. >> gun laws here in the district of columbia are pretty strict but they're pushing for the committee to work with law enforcement so at the next hearing they can bring in some semiautomatic weapons. the point they want to make, they say, is these weapons in the hands of law-abiding citizens are perfectly same. charlie and norah? >> nancy, thanks. >>> he orange rally spoke with mark kelly and gabrielle giffor giffords about gun control. good morning. >> good morning. >> suppose you had something to do about
mark kelly will argue that an assault rifle like the one used to wound his wife and kill others should be banned from the streets. the policies are complicated. even some of the most liberal are supporters of gun rights including patrick leahy. harry reid of nevada was noncommit tall when he asked about the assault weapons ban intro dusd by his colleague dianne feinstein. any move to restrict gun ownership will be met with fierce opposition from the right. >> gun violence is not a...
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mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords, joins us next. and former adviser to the romney campaign, dan senor, is here. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. in the middle of the night it can be frustrating. it's hard to turn off and go back to sleep. intermezzo is the first and only prescription sleep aid approved for use as needed in the middle of the night when you can't get back to sleep. it's an effective sleep medicine you don't take before bedtime. take it in bed only when you need it and have at least four hours left for sleep. do not take intermezzo if you have had an allergic reaction to drugs containing zolpidem, such as ambien. allergic reactions such as shortness of breath or swelling of you
mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords, joins us next. and former adviser to the romney campaign, dan senor, is here. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ]...
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on the other side of the debate astronaut mark kelly, whose wife former congresswoman gabrielle giffords was badly injured in the tucson shooting in 2011. gun owner himself, kelly will argue today that assault weapons like the one that was used to wound his wife and kill six others don't belong on the streets. the politics of gun safety are complicated on capitol hill. even some of the most liberal senators are supporters of gun rights, including senator patrick leahy of vermont, who will be chairing thood's inging today's hearing. harry reid was noncommittal when asked of what he thought was an assault weapons ban introduced by his colleague, dianne feinstein. >> she believes in it fervently and i admire her for that. i'll take a look at that. >> reporter: any moves to restrict gun ownership will be met with fierce opposition from the right. >> gun violence is not a disease, and lawful gun ownership is not a disease. it is a constitutionally protected individual right. >> reporter: gun laws in the district of columbia are pretty strict but a pair of republican senators who are on the co
on the other side of the debate astronaut mark kelly, whose wife former congresswoman gabrielle giffords was badly injured in the tucson shooting in 2011. gun owner himself, kelly will argue today that assault weapons like the one that was used to wound his wife and kill six others don't belong on the streets. the politics of gun safety are complicated on capitol hill. even some of the most liberal senators are supporters of gun rights, including senator patrick leahy of vermont, who will be...
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. >> giffords' husband, mark kelly also spoke along with the nra's wayne lapierre. tonight anderson cooper is looking at both sides of the debate in "guns under fire" this is an "ac360" town hall special tonight at 8:00 on cnn, it's going to be really interesting. as they debated gun control in washington another shooting was unfolding. arizona police are searching for the 70-year-old man they say is responsible for a deadly shooting in phoenix. the suspect, arthur douglas harmon was attending a meeting at a law office when he allegedly opened fire. 48 man was killed, two others wounded in the attack. harmon took off in a 2013 kia optima. police say he opened fire on a witness who tried to follow him. >>> hackers invading the "new york times" have finally been blocked at least for now. this is an amazing story. these hackers out of china have been attacking "the times" over the past four months, infiltrating their computer systems and stealing passwords. the papers say the timing of the attack related or not happens to coincide with their investigative report that r
. >> giffords' husband, mark kelly also spoke along with the nra's wayne lapierre. tonight anderson cooper is looking at both sides of the debate in "guns under fire" this is an "ac360" town hall special tonight at 8:00 on cnn, it's going to be really interesting. as they debated gun control in washington another shooting was unfolding. arizona police are searching for the 70-year-old man they say is responsible for a deadly shooting in phoenix. the suspect, arthur...
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while mark kelly and gabby giffords are expected to push for universal back ground checks and limits on high capacity magazines. >>> in medical news, you may want to ask you boss for an earlier lunch hour. people on a diet who eat lunch early end up losing more weight than those that eat late in the afternoon. the body processes sugar differently te pending on time of day. >>> and finally, wow, the definition of american heroism. form eer soldier brendan marroc made a point of wheeling himself sp a press conference on tuesday. he was using transplanted arms. he lost his arms and legs in 2009. that has not stopped him. >> not having arms takes so much away from you. even your personality. i have oversome so much in the last four years. i really, honestly, wasn't worried about the risks. >> he says he feels like he's getting a second chance at life. he cannot wait to swim again. it might take two to three years to fully use his arms. another chance for us to thank each and every one of the servicemen and women protecting our freedom. thank you so much for our service. and no more deser
while mark kelly and gabby giffords are expected to push for universal back ground checks and limits on high capacity magazines. >>> in medical news, you may want to ask you boss for an earlier lunch hour. people on a diet who eat lunch early end up losing more weight than those that eat late in the afternoon. the body processes sugar differently te pending on time of day. >>> and finally, wow, the definition of american heroism. form eer soldier brendan marroc made a point of...
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her husband, captain mark kelly, also testified. kelly's message, demanding change is not the same as taking away people's guns. >> we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up, just like gabby would never relinquish her gun, and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. >> giffords and kelly are pleading on behalf of common sense here. this is why gun safety opponents like the nra's wayne lapierre need to create multiple straw men instead of talking about the facts. the gun lobby will do anything to keep all guns free from restrictions. fewer restrictions means more sales, which means more money for gunmakers and manufacturers and guys like wayne lapierre. >> if you try to do this universal background check, which sounds whatever, it ends up being a universal federal nightmare imposed upon law abiding people all over this country. criminals will ignore it. so what is the point of the whole thing? >> this is lapierre's newest argument. a universal background check won't do anything, h
her husband, captain mark kelly, also testified. kelly's message, demanding change is not the same as taking away people's guns. >> we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up, just like gabby would never relinquish her gun, and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. >> giffords and kelly are pleading on behalf of common sense here. this is why gun safety opponents like the nra's wayne lapierre need to create multiple straw men...
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giffords' husband mark kelly cofounded the organization with her. he gave powerful testimony as well today. >> we believe wholly and completely in the second amendment and that it confers upon all americans the right to own a firearm for protection, collection, and recreation. we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up just like gabby would never relinquish her gun and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. and this right does not extend to terrorists. it does not extend to criminals. and it does not extend to the mentally ill. >> one more thing i want you to see. following this morning's testimony, gabby giffords and mark kelly met with president obama in the oval office. so david corn, i show you all that and i ask how can the momentum to the extent that momentum exists right now on the president and the white house side, how can it be maintain snd how do you maintain that level of emotional testimony? >> well, it was quite an emotional moment watching gabby giffords get up there courageously a
giffords' husband mark kelly cofounded the organization with her. he gave powerful testimony as well today. >> we believe wholly and completely in the second amendment and that it confers upon all americans the right to own a firearm for protection, collection, and recreation. we take that right very seriously, and we would never, ever give it up just like gabby would never relinquish her gun and i would never relinquish mine. but rights demand responsibility. and this right does not...
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>> those people need to be in the system. >> are you and mark kelly on the same side of this issue? >> on the question of putting the mentally ill in the system, absolutely. >> we've got to go, but "the daily caller" has an interview with you, where you are quoted as saying that there have been threats made against your son and daughter in the wake of the deadly shooting in newtown. >> sure, against me and against wayne lapierre. >> what kind of threats? >> my son has the same name as i have and he has a facebook page, and somebody said that she should be killed. and he and my daughter responded -- i'm not a technical guy, so i'm not the guy to do this, and said that, actually, i'm not him, i'm his son, but both my sister and i agree that he's not that bad a guy and you probably shouldn't kill him. and they came back and said, well, since we know you're his children, we ought to kill you since he knows what it will feel like. >> i assume you've notified local police? >> we turn that stuff over, but what that's an example of not that somebody's going to kill me, because that's probab
>> those people need to be in the system. >> are you and mark kelly on the same side of this issue? >> on the question of putting the mentally ill in the system, absolutely. >> we've got to go, but "the daily caller" has an interview with you, where you are quoted as saying that there have been threats made against your son and daughter in the wake of the deadly shooting in newtown. >> sure, against me and against wayne lapierre. >> what kind of...
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also, former congresswoman gabrielle giffords's husband, mark kelly, will testify. joining me, mark smythe, a contributor to "msnbc." i want to go the line i first quoted. wayne lapierre, this comment sounds reasonable until you think about it. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of deranged criminals. a law abiding gun owner is responsible for what happened in newtown, connecticut. a law abiding mother was a gun owner, by all accounts, and that law abiding gun owner couldn't control her weapons, and those weapons were eventually used to kill her and to kill all of those children and those women educators in that school. so that is what one law abiding gun owner got us. >> that is a good point, lawrence. >> and that is what neil heslin was saying in his testimony, was that that woman should never have had those weapons in that home with -- you know, knowing
also, former congresswoman gabrielle giffords's husband, mark kelly, will testify. joining me, mark smythe, a contributor to "msnbc." i want to go the line i first quoted. wayne lapierre, this comment sounds reasonable until you think about it. law abiding gun owners will not accept blame for the acts of deranged criminals. a law abiding gun owner is responsible for what happened in newtown, connecticut. a law abiding mother was a gun owner, by all accounts, and that law abiding gun...
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giffords and her husband, mark kelly, are vowing to do whatever it takes for new gun safety measures, and we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro. executor of efficiency. you can spot an amateur from a mile away... while going shoeless and metal-free in seconds. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle...and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. now this...will work. [ male announcer ] just like you, business pro. just like you. go national. go like a pro. and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't know it yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. but, dad, you've got... [ voice of dennis ] allstate. with accident f
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you had had a chance to speak with mark kelly, the husband of gabrielle giffords. he's getting ready to testify tomorrow. what did he say to you? >> reporter: that's right. i spoke with him by phone a short while ago. he said that he and gabby giffords are both gun owners and that he actually thought about joining the nra but never got around to it. when it comes to wayne la peaier, the two have never met but he hopes that they can have a constructive conversation about how to tackle gun violence. two staunch supporters of the second amendment, two very different views on guns. >> they are god given freedoms. they belong to us in the united states of america as our birth right. no government gave them to us and no government can ever take them away. >> i defended the second amendment flying in combat over iraq in kuwait, you know, defending our country. i own a gun. this really isn't about the second amendment. >> reporter: these will be the star witnesses at congresses' first hearing since the shooting in newtown. mark kelly, the husband of gabby giffords who was
you had had a chance to speak with mark kelly, the husband of gabrielle giffords. he's getting ready to testify tomorrow. what did he say to you? >> reporter: that's right. i spoke with him by phone a short while ago. he said that he and gabby giffords are both gun owners and that he actually thought about joining the nra but never got around to it. when it comes to wayne la peaier, the two have never met but he hopes that they can have a constructive conversation about how to tackle gun...
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kelly, husband of gabby giffords. before testimony began, giffords made a plea for action. >> violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. be bold, be courageous. americans are counting on you. >> kelly followed, arguing for restrictions on magazine clips, enhanced mental health care, and advanced background checks. >> we're both gun owners, and we take that right and the responsibilities that come with it very seriously, but rights demand responsibility, and this right does not extend to terrorists, it does not extend to criminals, and it does not extend to the mentally ill. >> while wayne lapierre struck a posture less combative than previous press conferences, his views remain questionable, calling for an immediate blanket of security at schools, lapierre dismissed universal background checks, saying criminals would never submit to them. chairman leahy pressed lapierre on background checks and whether and how the nra head had changed his mind on closing gun show loopholes. >> should we have mandatory bac
kelly, husband of gabby giffords. before testimony began, giffords made a plea for action. >> violence is a big problem. too many children are dying. be bold, be courageous. americans are counting on you. >> kelly followed, arguing for restrictions on magazine clips, enhanced mental health care, and advanced background checks. >> we're both gun owners, and we take that right and the responsibilities that come with it very seriously, but rights demand responsibility, and this...
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americans are counting on you. >> giffords' husband, mark kelly, also testified. so did nra head juan wayne la p and also the chief of baltimore county, the chairman of the national law enforcement partnership to prevent gun violence. he joins us right now. chief, you are really on the front lines of this gun debate so i want to ask you, if you could get one thing, change one thing when it comes to guns and gun violence, what's the one measure you would choose? >> well, it's definitely going to be a universal background check. i think most in law enforcement would agree that a universal background check certainly would make it more difficult for people who are trying to get weapons, keep them out of their hands. in fact from 1994 to 2009, nearly two million prohibited purchases were stopped. so we know this is going to work. obviously increasing penalties for those who try to straw purchase for someone else, i really think this will ve a tremendous impact. >> so wayne la pierre of the nra doesn't agree with you. at the hearing yesterday he said that criminals will
americans are counting on you. >> giffords' husband, mark kelly, also testified. so did nra head juan wayne la p and also the chief of baltimore county, the chairman of the national law enforcement partnership to prevent gun violence. he joins us right now. chief, you are really on the front lines of this gun debate so i want to ask you, if you could get one thing, change one thing when it comes to guns and gun violence, what's the one measure you would choose? >> well, it's...
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the same kind of pain and frustration drove gabby giffords and husband, mark kelly, back to capitol hill wednesday two years after the shooting that nearly took her life and did take much of her eyesight and ability to spea speak. >> we must do something. >> reporter: working from her speech therapists handwritten notes, giffords pushed herself to deliver her handwritten message. >> you must act. be bold, be courageous. >> reporter: but a different message from the head of the national rifle association. wayne lapierre who rejected democrats proposal to inject background checks at gun shows and gun sales. >> we have to look at what works and never works. my problem with background checks, you will never get criminals to go through universal background checks. >> that was the first hearing related to guns since newtown. others are planned like mental health issues and dealing with violence in video games. senate democrats will have to lead the charge on this and say they expect to have some kind of bill written to get it going over the next month. >> kelly o'donnell in washington, what i'
the same kind of pain and frustration drove gabby giffords and husband, mark kelly, back to capitol hill wednesday two years after the shooting that nearly took her life and did take much of her eyesight and ability to spea speak. >> we must do something. >> reporter: working from her speech therapists handwritten notes, giffords pushed herself to deliver her handwritten message. >> you must act. be bold, be courageous. >> reporter: but a different message from the head...
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kelly, the husband of wounded congresswoman gabrielle giffords. >>> superstorm sandy, help is on the way across the northeast. the president has signed into law a $50 billion measure to allocate funding for the recovery effort. it took congress three months to give the bill the green light. >>> how did nick wallenda cross the road? on a wire about 250 feet suspended above it. here is the bird's-eye view. if that doesn't make you nauseous, taken from a camera hooked to his balancing pole. some 12,000 people came out to watch the death-defying stunt. no tether, no net, matt, savannah and al. pretty scary stuff. >> would he have had to have a camera on the other side of the pole to make that balanced ? >> i was wondering about that. >> natalie, thank you very much. you're back with the local forecast in. >> that's right. first we want to tell you about this cold air that's coming. we records broken up and down the east coast and in the midsection of the country. chicago up to 63 and 81 in new orleans and lorado 94, but, today, big changes. right now we're looking at 74 for a high in cha
kelly, the husband of wounded congresswoman gabrielle giffords. >>> superstorm sandy, help is on the way across the northeast. the president has signed into law a $50 billion measure to allocate funding for the recovery effort. it took congress three months to give the bill the green light. >>> how did nick wallenda cross the road? on a wire about 250 feet suspended above it. here is the bird's-eye view. if that doesn't make you nauseous, taken from a camera hooked to his...
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kelly, the husband of wounded congresswoman gabrielle giffords. >>> help is on the way for victims of superstorm sandy across the northeast. the president has signed into law a $50.5 billion measure to allocate funding for the recovery effort. it took congress three months to give the bill the green light. >>> how did nick wallenda cross the road? take a look. on a wire about 200 feet above it. here is the bird's-eye view. it's taken from a camera hooked on to his balancing pole. it may make you nauseous. some 12,000 people came out to watch the death-defying stunt. no tether, no net, matt, savannah and al. it is 7:11. >> i'm dizzy just watching it. >> he had cameras on both ends of the pole. >> mr. roker, back with more of a check on the weather. >> the west coast for our friends watching live. for the most part, not a bad day out there. tucson, 56. 34 and snow showers in salt lake. billings 34. 48 in seattle. look for a cloudy day down in san diego. temperatures of 65 degrees. eugene looking at 48 degrees. rest of the country, we are expecting to see more snow showers in the rockies
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mark kelly who's the husband of a victim of gun violence, he's going to be there. he's obviously been somebody who's been outspoken in terms of what they would like to do in terms of future things. the other thing, republicans were able to put two of the panelists on there. it's the first conversation that will spark many other hearing at the judiciary committee. >> i want to close by talking about two articles from you all. some of your latest piece pieces. first one perry, on the agree owe, on debt ceiling obama forces republicans to blink. >> their policy they call it the boehner rule. for every dollar increase in this debt ceiling we have to have a dollar in cuts to match that. the president said earlier this month, i'm not doing that anymore. we are not going to keep negotiating over the debt ceiling. this is our obligation over. the republicans have conceded the president had won the argument and are now -- this week they ebb extended the debt ceiling with no accompanied spending cuts. the republicans will cede that issue to him. >> your latest article, mitt
mark kelly who's the husband of a victim of gun violence, he's going to be there. he's obviously been somebody who's been outspoken in terms of what they would like to do in terms of future things. the other thing, republicans were able to put two of the panelists on there. it's the first conversation that will spark many other hearing at the judiciary committee. >> i want to close by talking about two articles from you all. some of your latest piece pieces. first one perry, on the agree...
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on the other side, mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords will thereby to support new gun control rules. and we hear now that giffords herself may speak at the beginning of that hearing. >>> developing story out of alabama. police trying to negotiate with a gunman who is holding a six-year-old boy hostage in an underground bunker. it all started at 4:00 p.m. yesterday in midland city. the 65-year-old suspect boarded a school bus, shot the driver, and grabbed a boy. >> he started telling him he needed a kid because something about the law coming after him. then he shot the bus driver and the driver's foot was on the gas and we went backwards and everybody started screaming and then the bus driver was still there and we just all got off the bus and went to a neighbor's house. >> gretchen: unfortunately the bus driver did die. swat team members still on the scene of that house. they've been communicating with the gunman. we're told the child needs medication and the suspect has allowed police to provide it. >>> check out this brand-new high-tech cargo airship
on the other side, mark kelly, the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords will thereby to support new gun control rules. and we hear now that giffords herself may speak at the beginning of that hearing. >>> developing story out of alabama. police trying to negotiate with a gunman who is holding a six-year-old boy hostage in an underground bunker. it all started at 4:00 p.m. yesterday in midland city. the 65-year-old suspect boarded a school bus, shot the driver, and grabbed...